ePetitions

October 24th, 2011 22:01

By tomtom

Was there ever any point in the idea?

After several hours of trying to make sense of Parliament’s approach to the EU debate the only conclusion I’m left with, is the words of major statesmen and politicians down the years. Not the pale imitation of statesmen we have today, but real men of stature and gravitas. Men who really understood what European Union was all about:

1. Lord Palmerston:- 1784 -1865 who said:-  “Only three men in Europe understand the Schleswig Holstein question, (aka -  West Lothian question) and of these,  Prince Albert, Queen Victoria’s Consort is dead, a Danish Statesman unnamed is in an asylum ‘and I myself”‘ confessed Lord Palmerston, “have forgotten.”
2. Jean Monnet:- 1888 – 1979 who said:-  “All Europe’s nations should be guided towards a super-state, without people understanding what is happening. This can be accomplished by successive steps, each disguised as having an economic purpose, but which will eventually and irreversibly lead to federation.”
3. Mr Peter Thorneycroft MP:- 1909 – 1994 who said:- “No government dependent upon a democratic vote could possibly agree in advance to the sacrifices an adequate European Plan must involve. The people must be led slowly and unconsciously, into the abandonment of their traditional economic defences, ‘not asked,” he insisted, “for it involves changes, which they may not at first be capable of recognising the advantages of - themselves.”

  After hours of spurious argument in Parliament, as to why it was not to be and a resounding vote rejecting the right of the people to be heard; by 483 to 111. It now befalls me to point out that the politicians are even more completely out of step with democracy than the public at large could ever have imagined.

  With a three party whip ranged against the motion, the outcome was always going to be what the politicians had decided. It is quite clear they have little regard for what the people have to say on the matter of EU interference in our internal affairs.

  Can we really afford to wait for them to re-negotiate the terms of our involvement?   Can we really believe there will be a better time to listen to what the people wish to say on the matter as prescribed by most who spoke against the motion before the house? At the rate of £25mn per day till they decide it is impossible to continue or the whole ridiculous charade implodes.

  Can we really believe that those who voted to deny the people the opportunity to express their angst understood the depth of feeling at large in the general population? Or indeed ever  understood themselves, what they had been forced into imposing as they wriggled and squirmed trying to explain, things they never fully understood themselves, in respect of the actual proposition before them.

  Yes we realise that the politicians can and do have one eye on their own position in respect of advancement through the party ranks, to office of one kind or another. But to deny the prospect of expression to the public by refusing to grant a referendum on the EU was both mean spirited and short-sighted.

  No doubt candidates at the next general election whenever it comes will use this as an opportunity to challenge opponents on their record of anti-democracy voting on the back of the ePetition legislation. And to determine if there was ever any purpose in introducing it, other than to use it put the electorate in their place, as voting fodder with no real voice.
    
Watch this space I’ll be back!

Tom.

At last – The Great Debate?

By tomtom

 Tory Hierarchy out of touch with the Public Mood on Europe

The day of the Great Debate for a referendum, which people across the length and breadth of the UK canvassed for, in overwhelming numbers looms, while the cacophony of protest from PM Cameron and Foreign Secretary Hague to vote it down; will hopefully fall on deaf ears.

 “In Europe but it not ruled by Europe,” he famously quoted, as leader of the Tories several leaders ago and as Foreign Secretary Hague, his tune has not changed. I’ve no idea where this guy has been for the last two decades. But it’s certainly not in the real world we’ve all been saddled with. Maybe it’s on account of the fact that these politicians don’t live in the real world where crazy judgements and dictat are handed down by the judiciary, as a matter of course.

 Perhaps our Foreign Secretary has been helping out on the family pop round again, imbibing of the several pints he claimed to have got through the last time he was called on to help out there. There can be no justification whatsoever for denying us a chance to vote against being led by the nose into a never-never land of dictat and totally incomprehensible rulings, based on the decisions by the European Court of Human Rights. Legal instruments now embedded into English Common Law by the Fabian Socialist misfits who were but a hair’s breadth away from creating their favoured tool of total repression, a Police State.

Whatever happened for the Freedom, Choice and Opportunity we thought would be restored on the back of this brand new Co-alition. Renegotiation of EU liabilities is a myth, as much as talk of any new deal on relations with Europe is. Why on earth do we have to renegotiate to take back powers from Europe, We should just take the same kind of liberties with Euro dictat, which every other Nation State in the EU does.

It’s time to refute all the bogus arguments foisted on us by politicians totally unacquainted with the world in which the majority of us are expected to progress and survive. These men who lead us claim to be Eurosceptic, but they’re just out to deceive us.  In reality they’re rampant Europhiles, there can be no other explanation for this outright deceit.

 Where there is greatness, great government or power, even great feeling or compassion; error is also great. We progress and mature by fault. The people will tell you not to crucify yourself on EU shadows, such as old resentments or impossible loyalties, perfect freedom has no existence.

  “A grown man knows the world he lives in for what it is. For the present that world is Brussels,” sez ‘Call me Dave’. “I crossed the floor and spoke in friendship, but when I go across that Channel, I become the hand of José Manuel Barroso or could it be Hermann van Rumpoy, ready to crush all who challenge their authority. So there!”

Watch this space I’ll be back!

Tom

Crisis, what Crisis?

By tomtom

‘We’re in a Debt Crisis,’ as Dave told the Tory Conference

Well I reckon we’re all pretty clear on that one by now Dave, but what we really need to know is what you’re doing about it. So far, apart from satisfying the International Shylocks their Juice is safe, precious little that really matters in terms of balancing the books.

  With an income to the Treasury of close to £700bn, I’d have thought it was relatively simple to sit down with a piece of paper draw up debit and credit columns. Then what you do Dave, is populate the respective columns, with the real totals of what we spend and what we get in. Then. if the figures at the bottom don’t match it’s a simple matter of pruning the outgoings to match the incomings.

  It’s what every household in the land has to do every week of every year, as we troll this mortal coil. It’s ABC stuff Dave, but it seems to be beyond the wit of your Chancellor and all his bloated over-payed Whitehall Gurus. So what are they there for Dave?

  You and George Dave, are fiddling while Rome burns or like Sir Francis Drake finishing off a game of bowls. (We can only hope for a similar outcome to Sir Francis, Dave). But this strategy of trying to sustain the status quo, while we play catch up is clearly a disaster Dave. It’s not working and throwing more money at the economy does not fix the underlying problem Dave. All that goes away is the money, it’s a daft, daft idea Dave and you should rein in this craze by the BoE, they’re out of hand Dave.  

  If you want to know why we’re in this mess it’s simple Dave. The demand curve lags behind the supply curve and while people are being ripped off by the Utility companies and money is screwed out of every aspect of the budgetary consideration of running a household, it always will Dave. You should quickly put in place a panel of housewives to tell you how to spend the income and we’ll soon be on our feet again.

  There is no one more practical at spending money than a housewife. She knows charity begins in the home and all these massive sums to overseas aid and subscriptions to the EU have to stop immediately. You have not satisfactorily explained why we have to suffer all this crazy stuff you are imposing Dave, why you are going through with it and to what end Dave.

  Why do we all have to suffer on account of these things Dave? The EU is bleeding us dry, trying to drag Perfidious Albion down to their level Dave, by hampering the way we have done our business for a thousand years. Whilst you and your minions are standing by and watching it happen. WAKE UP Dave before it’s too late.

Watch this space Dave, I’ll be back!  

Tom